bibaloo Posté(e) 14 mai 2009 Posté(e) 14 mai 2009 Voici ma production ! Ecrite en début d'aprèm mais pas eu le temps de venir sur le forum avant ! The article I have just read had been downloaded from BBC News' website. It was published on the 6th of March, 2006. It is untitled "The man who hated Pooh". The author of the article makes a short biography on E.H. Shepard, the illustrator of Winnie the Pooh, and reveals that Shepard hated the famous bear. Firstly, I will briefly summarize the main arguments presented in the text. Then in a second part, I will share with you my personal opinion and finally I will conclude with a few remarks on why this text is interesting. The article was written about 30 years after Shepard's death. Maybe the author wrote it for the anniversary. Shepard was an illustrator and worked during 30 years for Punch Magazine, as a political cartoonist. A.A. Milne, the author of Winnie the Pooh, who was also cartoonist at Punch Magazine, asked Shepard if he would accept to illustrate some children's verse (on advice of another cartoonist, E.V. Lucas, although Milne wasn't convinced). The results enjoyed everyone, so when Milne wrote Winnie the Pooh, he wanted Shepard to draw it. Shepard got his inspiration in his son's bear (which was named Growler). The two men were successful, but they never bacame friends. At the end of his life, Shepard hated Pooh because the bear overshadowed the bulk of his work. According to him, drawing Pooh was a sideline, a little episode in his illustrator's career ; but that's the only part of his job people remember. When I read the title of the article, I thought : "who can hate Winnie the Pooh ?". I was curious about what I was going to learn. Now I understand why this man hated him. He spent his whole life drawing political illustrations, as an adult, for adults, but all we remember of him is his illustrations of Pooh. I wouldn't like being known as somebody I'm not really. I would feel misunderstood. But this problem is still actual. Juste take a look at actresses. A lot of them are well-known for one famous film, and when they try to do other characters, they are always compared to their "referent character". To conclude, I would like to say that I was really surprised to learn that Pooh's illustrator hated him. Now I won't look at Winnie like before, it took out a little magical part.
bibaloo Posté(e) 14 mai 2009 Posté(e) 14 mai 2009 Je trouve votre initiative géniale. Mon anglais n'est pas très bon et je ne suis pas très au clair avec cette épreuve. Je vous laisse le soin de critiquer mon résumé.This text is an article taken from BBC news dated from Monday, 6 march 2006 and written by Tim Benson. First, the title involves us on the identity of the man who hated Whinny the Pooh. It is EH Shepard. This article explains why this man has had a negative felt with meeting with the Pooh. In fact, his biggest regret was agreeing to illustrate Winnie the Pooh for AA Milne because this has been an effect about his whole of its work. Even if we remember now Shepard as the man who drew Pooh, his work is not to this. From 1921 until 1953, he was working as one of Punch magazine’s leading political cartoonists. It’s his colleague EV Lucas who recommended Shepard to illustrate some children’s verse. Hesitant in the first way, AA Milne was persuaded by the talent of Shepard and later Milne insisted that Shepard illustrate the Pooh but the two men were never close even if they worked together. Shepard was inspired by Growler, the much-loved bear belonging to his awn son and not by Christopher Robin’s bear, the bear of AA Milne’s son. Now Shepard is dead and his pencil and pen and ink drawings are highly regarded. His drawings, especially those of Winnie the Pooh have realised record prices. Ton résumé est bon ; fais attention car tu reprends beaucoup du texte sans reformuler (à la fin surtout). N'oublie pas la seconde partie du résumé, dans laquelle tu dois donner ton opinion personnelle sur le texte. En tout cas tu es la bienvenue pour te joindre à nous lors des prochains sujets !
bibaloo Posté(e) 14 mai 2009 Posté(e) 14 mai 2009 Je me lance aussi, je m'excuse d'avance pour les fautes mais normalement à l'oral, elles ne devraient pas trop se voir !The text I’ve just read is an article from BBC news on Monday, 6 March 2006. The autor is Tirm Benson. His title is “The man whoo hated Pooh” and we could understand that it’s a criminal article. In fact, it’s the story of EH Shepard, that was the illustrator of Winnie the Pooh. I will resume the text and after I will explain my point of view. Instead Shepard illustred winnie the Pooh,he was also one of punch magazine’s leading political cartoonists. Once day, Milne asked one of his friend who he would recommanded to illustred some verse and this friend aswerd : Shepard ! Milne wasn’t very happy but try to work with him and it happered that it was a very good idea ! So when he looked after someone to draw winnie the pooh, he asked Shepared. He was always pleased with his works But Shepared was very sad to see that is name was know only because he drawed winnie the pooh and think that he had better not to do it. He died at 96 years old and we can always see his illustration. When I was youg, I always asked my mother to read some story of winnie the pooh. I have now some young daughter that allways want to hear some story of this bear. I thing he’s wright when Shepared thought he was only know for this illustrations but the reality is that if he doesn’t draw them, we will never see his name ! Winnie the pooh is probably the must famous bear in the world ! It’s really interessting to have some references like that to create a universal culture. So when the students went in some other countries , they can recognized one part of theire hown countrie ! J'adoooooore ta seconde partie dans laquelle tu peux faire part de tes souvenirs et de ce que tu partages avec ta choupette ! (tu vois ça a du bon d'être un dino !!) Dans la première partie je te conseillerais juste d'être un peu plus détachée du texte. En te lisant je pouvais suivre le texte dans ma tête. Tu peux changer l'ordre des idées si ça te convient plus. J'aime aussi beaucoup ton ouverture, très zen ! Pour ta question, oui il est conseillé d'essayer de rattacher le thème du texte à l'école ou d'ouvrir là-dessus. Mais, des fois, on te présente un texte qui n'a rien à voir du tout du tout avec l'école, et impossible à rattacher. Dans ce cas-là, tu ne t'inquiètes pas, tu fais ton résumé comme d'hab. Le jury se rend bien compte que certains textes ne sont pas faciles à relier et il ne tente généralement pas de te coincer. L'an passé j'ai eu un texte sur l'usage excessif de la chirurgie esthétique... dur à relier avec l'école (mise à part un chouia de prévention, et encore...). Le jury n'a pas essayé de me faire aller sur l'école, on a parlé des stars qui faisaient de la chirurgie à outrance, on a gentiment critiqué comme des vieilles commères. Alors pas d'inquiétude.
bibaloo Posté(e) 14 mai 2009 Posté(e) 14 mai 2009 - This text is an article extracted from the website BBC News. - It is intitled "the man who hated Pooh", - it deals with famous tededy bear : Winnie the Pooh. - This article was written by Tin Benson and it appeared in 2006, perhaps because of the 30th death anniversary les grands esprits se rencontrent of Shepard, Pooh artist(= dessinateur et non "drawer" qui signifie "tiroir" oups ben j'ai du me planter alors). - Indeed, thanks the text, we have known that Shepard died in 1976. -To bigin, , we go to come back on Pooh story, how Pooh was given birth ? (pas sûre de ma structure grammaticale je dirais simplement "was born", maintenant ta construction ne me parait pas fausse, mais bon je ne suis pas une bête en anglais), - then, we will point out why Shepard hated Pooh, - and finally, we can qualify (pour nuancer) this point of view and underline the link with school activities. Who does'nt know Winnie the Pooh ? or who has nerver heard speaking about Pooh? (pas du tout sûre de ma structure là non plus enlève le "speaking", l'expression "avoir entendu parler de" c'est "have heard about") - Firstly, Milne was an author but was not an artist. He has written for children. So, he needed a draughtsman. - Lucas recommended him Shepard. Lucas and Shepard were both members of the Punch table (a magazine). - After hesitation, Milne wanted Shepard as artist. So, Milne use him to illustrate his poems "When we were very young" (1924) - Later, Milne decided writting for his son : Chritopher Robin. He imagined stories regarded a bear and Shepard was given the job. - In order to draw Pooh, Shepard did'nt take Chritopher Robin's bear as exemple but his own son's bear. The problem is the negative opinion about this bear. Indeed, in people mind, Winnie is often the "silly old bear" that distressed his artist. It's because he hated Pooh. However, nowadays, Winnie is as celebrity, a children's star. When we enter a "toy shop", we can note : cuddly toys, cartoons, posters... a real industry around Winnie. that's why I agree with the journalist writing, I cite "drawings Shepard are now highly regarded and sought after". So Winnie is maybe a few silly but it is a always reference. In fact, children are pleased with Pooh because it is nice, generous. Furthermore, there are values that we try to teach at school : to share, to be polite... There values are evoked in litterature. Bonne ouverture !! dur dur.. je ne vois pas quoi dire d'autre... à vous!
bibaloo Posté(e) 14 mai 2009 Posté(e) 14 mai 2009 Je me lance aussi, je m'excuse d'avance pour les fautes mais normalement à l'oral, elles ne devraient pas trop se voir !The text I’ve just read is an article from BBC news (il manque un verbe, un adjectif)on Monday, 6 March 2006. The autor author) is Tirm Benson. His Its car his est employé pour les peronnes) title is “The man whoo hated Pooh” and we could understand that it’s a criminal article. In fact, it’s the story of EH Shepard, that was the illustrator of Winnie the Pooh. I will resume the text and after I will explain my point of view. sum up Instead Shepard illustred winnie the Pooh,he was also one of punch magazine’s leading political cartoonists. Once (one (not once = une fois)) day, Milne asked one of his friend who he would recommanded to illustred illustrate some verse and this friend aswred : Shepard ! Milne wasn’t very happy but try to work with him and it happered ? that it was a very good idea ! So when he looked after someone to draw winnie the pooh, he asked Shepared. He was always pleased with his work(s) But Shepared was very sad to see that is name was know known only because he drawed winnie the pooh and think that he had better not to do it. He died at 96 years old and we can always see his illustration. When I was young, I always asked my mother to read some story of winnie the pooh. I have now some young daughter that allways want to hear some story of this bear. I thinK he’s wright ??right? when Shepared thought he was only know for this illustrations but the reality is that if he doesn’t draw them, we will never see his name ! Winnie the pooh is probably the must famous bear in the world ! It’s really interessting to have some references like that to create a universal culture. So when the students went in some other countries , they can recognized one part of their own country ! => YES (bonne ouverture) Voici ma proposition: The document is an article untitled The man who hated Pooh and was written by Tim Benson. It was published on BBC News website on March, 6th 2006. With an ironic tone, the journalist, Tim Benson, reveals how the success story of Winnie The Pooh tended to spoil EH Shepard’s life. EH Shepard is famous for the great job he accomplished for AA Milne’s worldwide known story. For those who are interesting to know Shepard’ source of inspiration, the journalist explains the artist was prompted by his son’s bear. However the journalist draws our attention to a pernicious effect of this success. He explains the main reason why EH Shepard’s career was poisoned by the success of Winnie the Pooh. Indeed, for 30 years, he had difficulties to get rid off this image of an illustrator for child story. EH Shepard’s main job was to draw political cartoons for Punch Magazine. He really wished he had never accepted AA Milne’s offer for the reste of his work had been completely overshadowed. finally, the journalist concludes ironically his article when explaining that EH Shepard's drawings had gotten up in value whereas the artist was filled with resentment towards "this bear with little brain". En fait, ce texte est peut être plus fourni mais il n'est pas propice à une grande réflexion... qu'en pensez-vous? Comment ouvrez-vous le dialogue avec le jury avec ce texte? Pour ou contre? ça a ni queue ni tête. Qu'est ce que vous me conseillez? Côté pratique, vous savez si je peux recevoir dans ma boîte mail vos réponses à ce post? Cela m'éviterait d'aller les chercher. Aussi quand on veut voir apparaître dans son message à qui on répond, comment fait-on? C'est avec "Citer"? et après? Très chouette résumé, tout plein de vocab, rien à redire là-dessus ! Pense à donner ton avis perso, ça fait aussi partie des 5min de présentation. Tu n'es pas obligée d'ouvrir le dialogue, le jury saura de toutes façons te poser des questions (sur le texte ou sur une ouverture à laquelle il aura pensé). Tu n'as pas à te positionner pour ou contre, tu peux juste donner tes impressions sans t'engager (surtout que là, "pour ou contre", je vois pas trop ce qu'on peut dire !). Concernant tes questions "techniques", désolée je ne peux pas te répondre, je ne sais pas citer moi-même différents textes dans un seul message... (c'est d'ailleurs pour ça que j'ai pourrifié le post avec 5 messages à la suite !)
schwa Posté(e) 29 mai 2009 Posté(e) 29 mai 2009 je l'ai fait aujourd'hui, mais je ne pensais pas qu'il fallait vraiment résumer le texte (car 5 minutes c'est long !) donc j'ai un peu tout redit à ma façon. est-ce que c'est très grave ? ou ça passe ? merci The article I4m going to talk about, entitled "the man who hated Pooh", was written by Tim Benson and published on the BBC News website on March, 6th, 2006. From 1921 to 1953, Shepard, the man who drew Winnie the Pooh, was working on political cartoonists in Punch magazine. One day, AA Milne (on prononce i ou aï ?), author of children's poems and of the adventures of Winnie the Pooh, asked EV Lucas, a member of the Punch table, who could be able to illutrate children's poems, and Lucas answred that Shepard could ba that man ! Milne was first (ou first was ???) reluctant, not believing that Shepard could draw for children, but he was finally convinced (ou finally was convinced ???) and Shepard illustrated his poems in 1924. So, when Winnie the Pooh was created, Milne insisted that Shepard draw the bear. Actually, the two men were not very close, and Shepard criticised that he always had (ou had always ???) to start at the beginning when he worked with Milne ! Concerning Shepard's inspiration, some people believe that he was inspired by Christopher Robin's bear ; actually, he was inspired by Growler, the most-loved bear, belonging to Graham his son ! Shepard died in 1976, at the age of 96, and was all his life known as the man who drew Winnie the Pooh, that's why he hated this bear ! I can understant him, because he regretted that his other works were not remembered, but I think he could have been proud of his work on the Pooh, beacause today, the Pooh is always (ou always is ??) famous ; there are a lot of cartoons, and also movies, telling Winnie's adventures. Moreover, Shepard realised record prices, particularly those of the Pooh, and today, Winnie is sold for 10 000 of pounds ! As I said, Pooh is always present in our lives, so the most part of children know him. So I think we could read one of Winnie's albums at school. It could also be great to have other albums in the school's library. et petit ajout de dernière minute que je ne dirais ptet pas à l'oral For the pupils in nursery school, we could watch some cartoons during lunch time if it's raining !
tiGwen Posté(e) 29 mai 2009 Auteur Posté(e) 29 mai 2009 je l'ai fait aujourd'hui, mais je ne pensais pas qu'il fallait vraiment résumer le texte (car 5 minutes c'est long !) donc j'ai un peu tout redit à ma façon. est-ce que c'est très grave ? ou ça passe ?merci The article I'm going to talk about, untitled "the man who hated Pooh", was written by Tim Benson and published on the BBC News website on March, 6th, 2006. From 1921 to 1953, Shepard, the man who drew Winnie the Pooh, was working on political cartoonists in Punch magazine. One day, AA Milne (on prononce i ou aï ?), author of children's poems and of the adventures of Winnie the Pooh, asked EV Lucas, a member of the Punch table, who could be able to illutrate children's poems, and Lucas answred that Shepard could ba that man ! Milne was firstly (or at the beginning, Milne was ...) reluctant, not believing that Shepard could draw for children, but he was finally convinced (or finally, he was ) and Shepard illustrated his poems in 1924. So, when Winnie the Pooh was created, Milne insisted that Shepard draw the bear. Actually, the two men were not very close, and Shepard criticised that he always had (ou had always ???) to start at the beginning when he worked with Milne ! Concerning Shepard's inspiration, some people believe that he was inspired by Christopher Robin's bear ; actually, he was inspired by Growler, the most-loved bear, belonging to Graham his son ! Shepard died in 1976, at the age of 96, and was all his life known as the man who drew Winnie the Pooh, that's why he hated this bear ! I can understant him, because he regretted that his other works were not remembered, but I think he could have been proud of his work on the Pooh, beacause today, the Pooh is always (ou always is ??) famous ; there are a lot of cartoons, and also movies, telling Winnie's adventures. Moreover, Shepard realised record prices, particularly those of the Pooh, and today, Winnie is sold for 10 000 of pounds ! As I said, Pooh is always present in our lives, so the most part of children know him. So I think we could read one of Winnie's albums at school. It could also be great to have other albums in the school's library. et petit ajout de dernière minute que je ne dirais ptet pas à l'oral For the pupils in nursery school, we could watch some cartoons during lunch time if it's raining !
schwa Posté(e) 29 mai 2009 Posté(e) 29 mai 2009 je l'ai fait aujourd'hui, mais je ne pensais pas qu'il fallait vraiment résumer le texte (car 5 minutes c'est long !) donc j'ai un peu tout redit à ma façon. est-ce que c'est très grave ? ou ça passe ?merci The article I'm going to talk about, untitled "the man who hated Pooh", was written by Tim Benson and published on the BBC News website on March, 6th, 2006. From 1921 to 1953, Shepard, the man who drew Winnie the Pooh, was working on political cartoonists in Punch magazine. One day, AA Milne (on prononce i ou aï ?), author of children's poems and of the adventures of Winnie the Pooh, asked EV Lucas, a member of the Punch table, who could be able to illutrate children's poems, and Lucas answred that Shepard could ba that man ! Milne was firstly (or at the beginning, Milne was ...) reluctant, not believing that Shepard could draw for children, but he was finally convinced (or finally, he was ) and Shepard illustrated his poems in 1924. So, when Winnie the Pooh was created, Milne insisted that Shepard draw the bear. Actually, the two men were not very close, and Shepard criticised that he always had (ou had always ???) to start at the beginning when he worked with Milne ! Concerning Shepard's inspiration, some people believe that he was inspired by Christopher Robin's bear ; actually, he was inspired by Growler, the most-loved bear, belonging to Graham his son ! Shepard died in 1976, at the age of 96, and was all his life known as the man who drew Winnie the Pooh, that's why he hated this bear ! I can understant him, because he regretted that his other works were not remembered, but I think he could have been proud of his work on the Pooh, beacause today, the Pooh is always (ou always is ??) famous ; there are a lot of cartoons, and also movies, telling Winnie's adventures. Moreover, Shepard realised record prices, particularly those of the Pooh, and today, Winnie is sold for 10 000 of pounds ! As I said, Pooh is always present in our lives, so the most part of children know him. So I think we could read one of Winnie's albums at school. It could also be great to have other albums in the school's library. et petit ajout de dernière minute que je ne dirais ptet pas à l'oral For the pupils in nursery school, we could watch some cartoons during lunch time if it's raining ! non non c'est bien entitled, pas untitled !! et first est possible, pas forcément firstly, enfin je pense... puisque "first" signifie d'abord et pour to start at the beginning, je voulais dire recommencer à zéro.. j'aurais ptet dû mettre to start over again, qq chose comme ça ?
tiGwen Posté(e) 30 mai 2009 Auteur Posté(e) 30 mai 2009 ok donc en voulant t'aider, je t'ai raconté que des bêtises... oui first = firstly c'est que j'ai l'habitude d'utiliser le second... pour recommencer : to start again pourquio tu voudrais écrire to start over again ?
schwa Posté(e) 30 mai 2009 Posté(e) 30 mai 2009 ok donc en voulant t'aider, je t'ai raconté que des bêtises... oui first = firstly c'est que j'ai l'habitude d'utiliser le second... pour recommencer : to start again pourquio tu voudrais écrire to start over again ? j'sais pas car je trouvais que ça sonnait bien to start over ! mais ça ne doit rien vouloir dire !! et merci d'aider
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